Comments on: Tactical thinking on the Racing Rules of Sailing (RRS) http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/ Sailing is our Drug Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:11:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: mick r http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8694 mick r Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:08:10 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8694 The port boat is entitled to lee bow subject to keeping clear. Remember we are talking tactics here so. as in say chess (or war?), we are trying to influence our opponents to play to our plan not theirs.Its a bit of a mind game but thats the appeal to me. Cheers Mick The port boat is entitled to lee bow subject to keeping clear. Remember we are talking tactics here so. as in say chess (or war?), we are trying to influence our opponents to play to our plan not theirs.Its a bit of a mind game but thats the appeal to me.
Cheers
Mick

]]> By: 29er Neil http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8409 29er Neil Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:11:23 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8409 When a stbd tack boat hails the port boat to hold their course, does the port boat have the right to tack into a leebow anyway? When a stbd tack boat hails the port boat to hold their course, does the port boat have the right to tack into a leebow anyway?

]]> By: Anonymous http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8119 Anonymous Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:50:48 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8119 hope victor called you after sydney! hope victor called you after sydney!

]]> By: Mick r http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8095 Mick r Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:10:56 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8095 Correct. Paul coached the team at the Worlds but I did the 3 years of intensive training and preparation with Mat and Dan. I have never heard Paul claim that one and in fact, in true sportsmanship, Paul rang me after the regatta to offer his congratulations! Cheers Mick Correct. Paul coached the team at the Worlds but I did the 3 years of intensive training and preparation with Mat and Dan. I have never heard Paul claim that one and in fact, in true sportsmanship, Paul rang me after the regatta to offer his congratulations!
Cheers
Mick

]]> By: DIC RASCH http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8089 DIC RASCH Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:20:21 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8089 not to split straws here but wasnt paul eldrid mat beltchers coach at those worlds?? not to split straws here but wasnt paul eldrid mat beltchers coach at those worlds??

]]> By: Mike http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8075 Mike Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:27:16 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8075 Nice words and I will tell you from experience that normally my only "starboard here" hail would come if I knew the driver of the give way boat was sketchy and white knuckling the wheel. Often coming in a crowded layline with boats approaching on port a courtesy hail comes into play because you may be outside with a boat between you and the layline and the port boat may have no clue that they are contending with multiple boats,...and sneak in there. In big boat racing if you keep your mouth shut you can actually hear the commands on the opposing yacht, maybe pick up some info... Nice words and I will tell you from experience that normally my only “starboard here” hail would come if I knew the driver of the give way boat was sketchy and white knuckling the wheel. Often coming in a crowded layline with boats approaching on port a courtesy hail comes into play because you may be outside with a boat between you and the layline and the port boat may have no clue that they are contending with multiple boats,…and sneak in there. In big boat racing if you keep your mouth shut you can actually hear the commands on the opposing yacht, maybe pick up some info…

]]> By: Mick r http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8065 Mick r Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:14:33 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8065 Thanks for the kind words all. I like discussing the rules so keep the comments coming. Dunno, you make some great points and you are correct. The port boat always has to keep clear, or prove she did, and I’ll admit that it could be a risky proposition in a ‘learner’ fleet. At Olympic level the sailors are all ‘regulars’ and very, very good sailors. They mostly have too much respect for each other to play ‘silly buggers’!! As for giving your game plan away by hailing the port boat, the port boat should have seen the boat on starboard well before this point and should already be thinking “hmm he’s on starboard so he likes the left”. Also if you dont give the port boat a hard time this time, maybe he will be friendlier to you when next you meet! Obviously its easy to waffle on about theoretical ‘perfect’ situations and nothing ever works perfectly in practice, but if this stimulates your mind to think a bit more about this ‘basic’ rule then my job is done… What's next Dutchy? hehe Cheers Mick Thanks for the kind words all. I like discussing the rules so keep the comments coming.
Dunno, you make some great points and you are correct. The port boat always has to keep clear, or prove she did, and I’ll admit that it could be a risky proposition in a ‘learner’ fleet. At Olympic level the sailors are all ‘regulars’ and very, very good sailors. They mostly have too much respect for each other to play ‘silly buggers’!! As for giving your game plan away by hailing the port boat, the port boat should have seen the boat on starboard well before this point and should already be thinking “hmm he’s on starboard so he likes the left”. Also if you dont give the port boat a hard time this time, maybe he will be friendlier to you when next you meet! Obviously its easy to waffle on about theoretical ‘perfect’ situations and nothing ever works perfectly in practice, but if this stimulates your mind to think a bit more about this ‘basic’ rule then my job is done… What’s next Dutchy? hehe
Cheers
Mick

]]> By: Dunno http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8038 Dunno Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:30:58 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8038 I just re-read the article (to give my mind a break from study for uni exam :( ), and this came to mind. If this happens regularly at top olympic level, by telling the port boat to hold its course, (or by not telling it to) you are telling the port boat alot about your strategy. By telling them to cross, you are telling them that you think the starboard tack and/or the left side of the course is favoured. So wouldn't it make sense that when someone says 'hold your course' to you, it would be good to do a leww-bow, unless you are very sure port tack is better I just re-read the article (to give my mind a break from study for uni exam :( ), and this came to mind.

If this happens regularly at top olympic level, by telling the port boat to hold its course, (or by not telling it to) you are telling the port boat alot about your strategy. By telling them to cross, you are telling them that you think the starboard tack and/or the left side of the course is favoured. So wouldn’t it make sense that when someone says ‘hold your course’ to you, it would be good to do a leww-bow, unless you are very sure port tack is better

]]> By: Dunno http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8012 Dunno Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:57:49 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8012 Great guy and great article. However, one thing that no one has picked up on is that even if the starboard boat lets the port boat cross, the port boat still has no rights if there is a collision Great guy and great article.

However, one thing that no one has picked up on is that even if the starboard boat lets the port boat cross, the port boat still has no rights if there is a collision

]]> By: Chilli http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/08/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/comment-page-1/#comment-8001 Chilli Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:06:59 +0000 http://livesaildie.com/2007/06/tactical-thinking-on-the-racing-rules-of-sailing-rrs/#comment-8001 Great article. Its good to see well thought out pearls of wisdom rather than reciting of rules from the book. Great article. Its good to see well thought out pearls of wisdom rather than reciting of rules from the book.

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