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		<title>By: Long Silver Dong</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>Long Silver Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love a go of a foiler,and not EVER being a laser sailor im not scared of the Bar either.</description>
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		<title>By: Foil Enthusiast</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Foil Enthusiast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew, and I thought you we&#039;re simply trying to be a pain... oh well, nice to see there&#039;s still someone around who remembers what a moth is. Either way, you really should have a go when we&#039;ve got the foils going, and the issue should still be raised at the bar afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew, and I thought you we&#8217;re simply trying to be a pain&#8230; oh well, nice to see there&#8217;s still someone around who remembers what a moth is. Either way, you really should have a go when we&#8217;ve got the foils going, and the issue should still be raised at the bar afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Long Silver Dong</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Long Silver Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not even entertain the thought of sailing a laser and you should be Turkey Slapped for thinking that, boris is the name used to stop the lsd spam detector holding up the post (which dosnt seem to work either) as milf hunter and long silver dong does. I am not at all trying to rain on your party as i think its great that some moths are back at the club, it is just strange to have a potential &quot;Talk it up Cup&quot; contestant sailing moths, usualy these sort of people like to sail &quot;lasers&quot;! As for what qualifies me, and your in the IMCA,Q check who the treasurer and state champ was in 96. I love the boats and there are still people in the club that used to sail these things at a very high level that are very interested in whats going on. If you do more homework you will find they were encouraged not to sail from there for a few years after a few incidents at a local nats. Just watch the &quot;talk it up&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not even entertain the thought of sailing a laser and you should be Turkey Slapped for thinking that, boris is the name used to stop the lsd spam detector holding up the post (which dosnt seem to work either) as milf hunter and long silver dong does. I am not at all trying to rain on your party as i think its great that some moths are back at the club, it is just strange to have a potential &#8220;Talk it up Cup&#8221; contestant sailing moths, usualy these sort of people like to sail &#8220;lasers&#8221;! As for what qualifies me, and your in the IMCA,Q check who the treasurer and state champ was in 96. I love the boats and there are still people in the club that used to sail these things at a very high level that are very interested in whats going on. If you do more homework you will find they were encouraged not to sail from there for a few years after a few incidents at a local nats. Just watch the &#8220;talk it up&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Foil Enthusiast</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Foil Enthusiast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris,

Yes that was me out there, with the 2 other resident mothists on a chase boat and rest assured the real foils are coming shortly. We did achieve liftoff and some rides of a couple of minutes duration before the boat got too high, cavitated and went on a mining expedition. Those foils were knocked up off an old centreboard for a completely different boat and are about 1/2 as long as they should be, so the decisive lack of control due to flying too high and losing all lateral resistance was to be expected. The new foil moulds are done, the boats are being modded at the moment so they don&#039;t break under the extra stress (photos will be up shortly of 9255 and 9228) and to suit the control wands, we will be doing materials testing this week and laying up the first set next weekend if all goes to plan. As far as spending the mega-bucks in R+D costs... think again. MDF is cheap, having mates who have a CAD router helps and also having some help from suppliers makes the R+D costs very reasonable indeed.  The new ones are somewhat more mainstream in their design (with bow sensor and flaps) and are simply there to get the boats flying; none of us are spending Rohan Veal&#039;s kinda money on pre-preg Illet foils; nor do we expect the same kind of performance out of our older, heavier boats (Lazich 2s and a Twyman one-off from about 10 years ago) as Rohan and the other foilers out there at the moment sailing HT foilers or Prowlers either. We&#039;re high (or will be), but not in &#039;that&#039; way... well, not all of us at least!

Btw... I didn&#039;t see you out there... but I do know that sufferers of the archimedian rare bathtub rash disease... I mean laser sailors... were out there earlier on the day we went foiling when I had my Lazich out without the foils. You didn&#039;t happen to be one of those folk are you? Seriously dude, I&#039;m interested to know what qualifies you to rain on my attempts of have a little light-hearted fun... if you happen to be that certain laser sailor who i noticed illegally epoxying his mast step a couple of weeks back and felt it&#039;d be his place to ask exactly why i was rigging a kayak with a sail, I suggest that you shut your virtual yap until this issue can be properly raised over a couple of friendly brewski&#039;s at the bar. The &#039;net is not a place to whinge and moan; it&#039;s here for porn and self-enhancing one&#039;s ego.

Either way, I suggest you try it before you consign our attempts to do something different to the loony-bin.

And, yes, the &#039;oath&#039; was a blatent rip-off of the crews oath from the 12 footers. I&#039;m lining up to crew at the Intl. skiff regatta / 12 nats at the end of the year on a 12, and have heard many stories about 12 antics (including that of the oath), which are directly translatable to moth antics (except that it is possible to steal someones moth and rig it inside a building, complete with rudder and centreboard... try that with a 12, i dare you!!). 

regards
foil-a-lot / foil enthusiast / nutcase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris,</p>
<p>Yes that was me out there, with the 2 other resident mothists on a chase boat and rest assured the real foils are coming shortly. We did achieve liftoff and some rides of a couple of minutes duration before the boat got too high, cavitated and went on a mining expedition. Those foils were knocked up off an old centreboard for a completely different boat and are about 1/2 as long as they should be, so the decisive lack of control due to flying too high and losing all lateral resistance was to be expected. The new foil moulds are done, the boats are being modded at the moment so they don&#8217;t break under the extra stress (photos will be up shortly of 9255 and 9228) and to suit the control wands, we will be doing materials testing this week and laying up the first set next weekend if all goes to plan. As far as spending the mega-bucks in R+D costs&#8230; think again. MDF is cheap, having mates who have a CAD router helps and also having some help from suppliers makes the R+D costs very reasonable indeed.  The new ones are somewhat more mainstream in their design (with bow sensor and flaps) and are simply there to get the boats flying; none of us are spending Rohan Veal&#8217;s kinda money on pre-preg Illet foils; nor do we expect the same kind of performance out of our older, heavier boats (Lazich 2s and a Twyman one-off from about 10 years ago) as Rohan and the other foilers out there at the moment sailing HT foilers or Prowlers either. We&#8217;re high (or will be), but not in &#8216;that&#8217; way&#8230; well, not all of us at least!</p>
<p>Btw&#8230; I didn&#8217;t see you out there&#8230; but I do know that sufferers of the archimedian rare bathtub rash disease&#8230; I mean laser sailors&#8230; were out there earlier on the day we went foiling when I had my Lazich out without the foils. You didn&#8217;t happen to be one of those folk are you? Seriously dude, I&#8217;m interested to know what qualifies you to rain on my attempts of have a little light-hearted fun&#8230; if you happen to be that certain laser sailor who i noticed illegally epoxying his mast step a couple of weeks back and felt it&#8217;d be his place to ask exactly why i was rigging a kayak with a sail, I suggest that you shut your virtual yap until this issue can be properly raised over a couple of friendly brewski&#8217;s at the bar. The &#8216;net is not a place to whinge and moan; it&#8217;s here for porn and self-enhancing one&#8217;s ego.</p>
<p>Either way, I suggest you try it before you consign our attempts to do something different to the loony-bin.</p>
<p>And, yes, the &#8216;oath&#8217; was a blatent rip-off of the crews oath from the 12 footers. I&#8217;m lining up to crew at the Intl. skiff regatta / 12 nats at the end of the year on a 12, and have heard many stories about 12 antics (including that of the oath), which are directly translatable to moth antics (except that it is possible to steal someones moth and rig it inside a building, complete with rudder and centreboard&#8230; try that with a 12, i dare you!!). </p>
<p>regards<br />
foil-a-lot / foil enthusiast / nutcase</p>
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		<title>By: Bed Time For Boris</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>Bed Time For Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foils enth...  your not talking about the fixed foil thing that was going out last weekend are you? People have spent big $ and time on developing these things and you want to talk up this thing? Please! Get a real foiler going before you hype up the masses. Good on you for trying, but realy you have a bit to go before proper lift off! As for the oath? Havnt heard anything like it at any moth regatta, ever! But heard similar at a 12 foot skiff inter. Do you really sail these? Or are you a wanabe as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foils enth&#8230;  your not talking about the fixed foil thing that was going out last weekend are you? People have spent big $ and time on developing these things and you want to talk up this thing? Please! Get a real foiler going before you hype up the masses. Good on you for trying, but realy you have a bit to go before proper lift off! As for the oath? Havnt heard anything like it at any moth regatta, ever! But heard similar at a 12 foot skiff inter. Do you really sail these? Or are you a wanabe as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Foil Enthusiast</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Foil Enthusiast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well matey, I&#039;m usually open to all bribery, corruption, as well as general begging and pleading... I&#039;ll be down tomorrow for a sail on foilzilla while foil-a-lot is under modification; prototype foils from foils mcgee may or may not rock up...

If you really want in; the usual first step is to a) swear the mothist oath (ie. I solumnly swear I will never sail a laser, bethwaite boat or other SMOD piece of trash again, signed and dated Johnsee) and then b) go buy a moth and c) sail said moth. Once you have gotten past the swimming stage and progressed to the flying stage, then you may yet prove to be a true zen mothist, grasshopper.

Alternatively a nice little sponsorship package c/o LSD and/or globecast headed my, foilzilla&#039;s and foils mcgee&#039;s way for the purposes of funding the aforementioned foil contruction may result in a drastic change of mind to the gain of the occasional foil ride for OG and/or yourself. We already have support from our respective workplaces, but any assistance that is willingly forthcoming will be gladly accepted and appreciated.

Come say hi tomorrow if you&#039;re around...

regards
the nut on the end of the foils</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well matey, I&#8217;m usually open to all bribery, corruption, as well as general begging and pleading&#8230; I&#8217;ll be down tomorrow for a sail on foilzilla while foil-a-lot is under modification; prototype foils from foils mcgee may or may not rock up&#8230;</p>
<p>If you really want in; the usual first step is to a) swear the mothist oath (ie. I solumnly swear I will never sail a laser, bethwaite boat or other SMOD piece of trash again, signed and dated Johnsee) and then b) go buy a moth and c) sail said moth. Once you have gotten past the swimming stage and progressed to the flying stage, then you may yet prove to be a true zen mothist, grasshopper.</p>
<p>Alternatively a nice little sponsorship package c/o LSD and/or globecast headed my, foilzilla&#8217;s and foils mcgee&#8217;s way for the purposes of funding the aforementioned foil contruction may result in a drastic change of mind to the gain of the occasional foil ride for OG and/or yourself. We already have support from our respective workplaces, but any assistance that is willingly forthcoming will be gladly accepted and appreciated.</p>
<p>Come say hi tomorrow if you&#8217;re around&#8230;</p>
<p>regards<br />
the nut on the end of the foils</p>
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		<title>By: johnsee</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:&#124;

I want in. They look like so much fun... and also my chance to one day prove to OG that I am a far superior sailor to her :D</description>
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<p>I want in. They look like so much fun&#8230; and also my chance to one day prove to OG that I am a far superior sailor to her :D</p>
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		<title>By: Foil Enthusiast</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Foil Enthusiast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming soon to a RQYS near you:
FOILzilla! (AUS 9260)
Sir FOIL-a-lot (AUS 9255) 
and....
 FOILs McGee (AUS 9228).

Open day is the plan. Carbon is being bought en-masse as we speak and the moulds are ready. Test flights occured 3 weeks ago (with reasonable success). We&#039;re all hooked and one of us has copious amounts of spare/boatbuilding time. Will do joyflights/publicity stunts for all (bar Johnsee for fear of breakages, random carnage and general sillyness) on the day.

The moth has returned... muhahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming soon to a RQYS near you:<br />
FOILzilla! (AUS 9260)<br />
Sir FOIL-a-lot (AUS 9255)<br />
and&#8230;.<br />
 FOILs McGee (AUS 9228).</p>
<p>Open day is the plan. Carbon is being bought en-masse as we speak and the moulds are ready. Test flights occured 3 weeks ago (with reasonable success). We&#8217;re all hooked and one of us has copious amounts of spare/boatbuilding time. Will do joyflights/publicity stunts for all (bar Johnsee for fear of breakages, random carnage and general sillyness) on the day.</p>
<p>The moth has returned&#8230; muhahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Long Silver Dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Silver Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a shame there wasnt this amount of  interest when we were sailing them from brisbane, mind you the moreton bay jellyfish used to rip the rudder T foils off at pace, so i could imagin them causing a bit of damage to the hydrofoils that are way longer than the T&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a shame there wasnt this amount of  interest when we were sailing them from brisbane, mind you the moreton bay jellyfish used to rip the rudder T foils off at pace, so i could imagin them causing a bit of damage to the hydrofoils that are way longer than the T&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Popeye</title>
		<link>http://livesaildie.com/2006/07/25/weapons-on-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Popeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long Silver Dong, Apparently Rohan gybes upwind when it&#039;s marginal foiling conditions, what he loses in gybing is more than made up by keeping it on the foils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long Silver Dong, Apparently Rohan gybes upwind when it&#8217;s marginal foiling conditions, what he loses in gybing is more than made up by keeping it on the foils.</p>
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